Welcome to r/nbadiscussion. This doesn't seem to me like a fair and balanced analysis of their respective teammates. Kobe was the first player since MJ to average 35 ppg in a season. nash wasn't more popular than kobe nor lebron, nba rating were actually down and truthfully this narrative insults no one more than Nash , 2006 was his 10th nba season , he didn't suddenly become fun to watch he was an all star in dallas all nba 3rd third team in dallas he was already fun to watch and if anything was less flashy as he got older.

NBA.com is part of Warner Media, LLC’s Turner Sports & Entertainment Digital Network. what is your basis for having him behind? Kobe had the 2nd most 1st-place votes out of everyone, in addition to having more W/Ss and a higher WS/48 than Nash who won, That's not including the fact that he generated more points than Nash in addition to providing elite wing defense and having less options on offense to take the heat off him, Lebron was never better than Kobe until his first MVP season, I love how Kobe haters don't have an argument back when someone throws stats back at you. Check out stats on every National Basketball Association MVP winner on ESPN.com. I think you definitely have a case for Kobe here but I still like LeBron's stats more. Phoenix played absolutely no defense giving up 106 ppg. Moreso than any other award in the NBA, and possibly any other major award in sports (the Heisman used to be really bad about this, too, but that's another topic). But ended up 4th in voting, meaning some people actually left him off the ballot completely lol. That lakers team role players didnt belong in the nba at all and embarrased the lakers franchise honestly.

All logos are the trademark & property of their owners and not Sports Reference LLC. If you edit it and message the moderators here, we'll reconsider it. Some high school data is courtesy David McWater. The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball. Nash was popular as hell. But none were close to nash anyways and rightfully so. 2005-06 Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns. They started out 4-5 that year and then won 38 of their next 50 games. Chris Mihm was their starting center. This kind of stuff fluctuates every year and is narrative-driven. And if you're going to look at specific MVP voting shares season to season, its kind of pointless. The Suns averaged 108.4 points per game that year -- league average was 97, and only four other teams averaged 100+ (none more than 102.6 per game). Smush had more than double the points (whether you look at per game/36/possession) on 55% TS compared to Snow's 44% TS. Question, Comment, Feedback, or Correction? Upon winning the 2005 NBA MVP, there were plenty of audible gasps from around the league. Because Kobe’s teammates from that era actually had NBA careers aside from just being Kobe’s teammate. Certainly Steve Nash had a good year and led the Phoenix Suns to … NL MVP Voting Table; Voting Results Batting Stats Pitching Stats; Rank Name Tm Vote Pts 1st Place Share WAR G AB R H HR RBI SB BB BA OBP SLG OPS W L ERA WHIP G GS SV IP H HR BB Team improvement is a huge factor when it comes to MVP voting. Kwame couldn't even catch a damn ball. Using NBA voting data from the 1995-2005 seasons, two empirical models are developed to examine the role that a player's race plays in the determination of this award. His team missed the postseason in 2005, and that was in an East that wasn't very impressive at the bottom half. How many of his teammates from that era had any success other than as his teammate? Kobe had the 2nd most first place votes anyways which can be argued for him deserving 2nd overall. Kobe finished 4th in MVP voting in 2006 behind Nash, James, and Dirk. Kobe finished 4th in MVP voting in 2006 behind Nash, James, and Dirk. And on another note: there is a tremendous difference between someone who averaged 35ppg in a season and someone who averaged 31ppg in a season. The gap between Nash and Kobe for first place votes was 35... the gap between Kobe and Dirk (who had the 5th most votes for first) was just 8. One of the Kobe arguments was the supporting cast or lack thereof he dragged to the playoffs, but LeBron’s supporting cast wasn’t exactly leaps and bounds better (this was basically the same team that made the ‘07 Finals, and the Cavs won more games that season than the Lakers). Chris Mihm was their starting center. Lamar Odom was the second best player and he was their small forward. But his only NBA MVP came in 2008. It's usually just revisionist Kobe stans who try to bring him into that conversation. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the nbadiscussion community, Press J to jump to the feed. West was also a lot more tougher (east was dogshit this year as always) and averaging 35 was unheard of since MJ so kobe having the second most 1st place votes made sense along with having a terrible starting lineup.

It was Nash being a runaway mvp and then dirk, lebron, kobe and billups being close to one another. A year-by-year list of the Kia NBA Most Valuable Player Award winners: ... 2006-07 Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks. So if we call the blocks+steals+tov a tie, essentially we are comparing 6 points and a foul (a negative) to 2 rebounds and 2.5 assists. He was fun to watch. It's usually just revisionist Kobe stans who try to bring him into that conversation. Dirk should have won it that year. LeBron in 2005 averaged 27/7/7, led the league in minutes and gave Cleveland its first winning season since 1997-98, along with leading the league in some advanced stats... and he made second-team All-NBA. Lamar Odom was the second best player. Copyright © 2000-2020 Sports Reference LLC. We also manually approve good short comments.

And ya, I agree LeBron was better than Kobe in 2006 (and every year after), MVP voting aside. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. I don't know about LeBron's teammates, but Kobe played with starters that didn't belong in the NBA and they were players who could never sustain an actual career outside of their brief Lakers stint. Bryant missed out on a chance to add another to his trophy case in the 2006-2007 season. Click on the Individual for statistics and accomplishments. And if you wann aplay that game then lebron was also closer to chauncey than he was close to nash so this was a runaway award anyways for nash. And on another note: there is a tremendous difference between someone who averaged 35ppg in a season and someone who averaged 31ppg in a season. Join our linker program. These players have been demonized so heavily for the Lakers (and Kobe's) net losing record between Shaq and Pau that they are infamous. (Source: dozens of posts on r/nba stating that “fun fact”). I can appreciate you sticking up for your guy, but it’s painfully obvious you’re a Kobe fan and that’s clouding your judgment. Win Expectancy, Run Expectancy, and Leverage Index calculations provided by Tom Tango of InsideTheBook.com, and co-author of The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball. Kwame couldn't even catch a damn ball. See wouldn't a good faith argument list Lamar Odom first as being the most important sidekick to Kobe that year? As for comparing rosters between the two, the names of Kwame Brown and Smush Parker are infamous. Do you have a sports website? I think there was some ridiculous net Ortg stat with Kobe that season somewhere where he had like a +16 or +18 net Ortg or something crazy like that. Kobe was closer to Chauncey in 5th place than he was to Dirk in 3rd place in the share of votes they got.

All rights reserved. Find out more. They weren't good by any means, but people go way too far with it. Doesn't the entirety of Kobe's argument over LeBron hinge on his scoring edge? Kobe was closer to Chauncey in 5th place than he was to Dirk in 3rd place in the share of votes they got. LeBron was starting to take that next step, but the league at that time wasn't giving young guys any awards. I think the supporting casts cancel each other out and Lamar Odom was probably better than what Cleveland had around Bron that year. The Cavs were terrible before LeBron. They merely tried to outscore their opponents. Many historical player head shots courtesy of David Davis. The discussion ends at this... No one was close to Nash. Our reasoning for presenting offensive logos. Props to you for admitting this, but it seems like it would be difficult to be so certain Kobe's supporting cast was worse if you don't know half the equation.

Watch our How-To Videos to Become a Stathead, Subscribe to Stathead and get access to more data than you can imagine. Full-year historical Major League statistics provided by Pete Palmer and Gary Gillette of Hidden Game Sports. We have tools and resources that can help you use sports data. Some defensive statistics Copyright © Baseball Info Solutions, 2010-2020. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. All images are property the copyright holder and are displayed here for informational purposes only. I know LBJ didn't have "help" to seriously compete with a title his entire first Cleveland stint, but I don't know if its possible for us to comfortably say that he was playing with starters who shouldn't be in the NBA. MVP is incredibly narrative driven.

Before that happens, approximately 125 members of the media will cast ballots to select the 2005-06 NBA Most Valuable Player. That roster couldn't even develop proper spacing in the starting lineup. None of them should be getting called mvp snubs that season.



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